Talk:TR-0009 Tager

About Tager Having Demon Genes
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The conversation between Hakumen and Tager starts at 5:00.

Take notice and read the narrations carefully (fullscreen mode or watching this on Youtube is recommended).

It tells of how Hakumen has encountered demons in battle before.

But unlike normal demons, Tager seems to be implanted with demon genes.

What do you guys think about this? --Airguitarman 05:19, July 12, 2011 (UTC)


 * 1. I can't watch YouTube videos at home, I don't have proper broadband yet, will be getting next month.
 * 2. I think I remember, from the story, the bit you're talking about, and I'm pretty sure he was talking figuratively, and making reference to how Kokonoe had tampered with Tager's human body in order to make him the "Red Devil", there don't seem to be real demons in the BlazBlue world, and I think what Hakumen meant by he'd fought many demons, is that he's fought many inhumanly powerful creatures, like the Black Beast, or a vampire. ~Takoto 12:32, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Even so, the possibility of actual demons existing in the Blazblue universe is highly likely given the fact that other well known mythological creatures have appeared in the game like witches, werewolves, vampires, ghosts, etc. Perhaps you are right that Hakumen might have been using the word figuratively but there is also no evidence pointing out that demons don't exist in Blazblue either. So until this is confirmed or debunked by official sources, we should consider and discuss about this "gene" that Tager has been implanted with which makes him more than just a "cyborg" as the current infobox's race section suggest. Perhaps an "Unknown" entry in his Infobox's race section will suffice for now until what creature Hakumen refers to as a "demon" is revealed in a future installment of the game or by some other official material. --Airguitarman 19:20, July 12, 2011 (UTC)
 * Honestly, I'm gonna say leave it at Cyborg. I doubt... he is a demon, but if he's revealed as one, we'll change it. xD We know hes a Cyborg though, being originally human and now enhanced robotic-ally. ~Takoto 19:33, July 12, 2011 (UTC).
 * Demon Cells do exist. They are listed as 鬼の細胞(Oni no Saibou) in the Material Collection, thus making it possible that Tager does have them inside his body. This again would be another reason why he is called Aka Oni. So either list him as a demon or make at least a reference to this possibility in the trivia section. Greets -Rayron
 * Edit: I can't read Japanese and just googled it, so no guarantee. :-)  88.78.166.147 14:30, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Demon cells? In the Material Collection? Are you talking about the Black Beasts Gene's that are listed in the MC? I can't remember exactly what they're called, but I remember that's what they effectively are. ~Takoto 14:44, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nope, Beast Genes are called 獣遺伝子(Kemono Idenshi). I think it's better if you ask someone like Suzaku who's got the MC and can read Japanese. Both terms are mentioned in the terminology guide, iirc. 88.78.166.147 15:35, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Ahhh okay. pdfkos I have the MC (both the first and second), but my Japanese is poor so yeah, I may seek out someone who can understand it better than me. Um, I didn't know there was a different cell/gene to the Black Beasts D| But... I still think... Until we get direct confirmation in the story line that Tager -has- been enfused with these "Demon Cells", that it stays as Cyborg. ~Takoto 18:19, July 13, 2011 (UTC)
 * Nonetheless, there is no doubt that Tager has been implanted with some foreign gene. Wether it be actually a demon, a creature resembling a demon, or what Hakumen calls a "demon" is unclear. What I have proposed earlier was to list "Unknown" as part of his racial description along with "Cyborg" and "Human" rather than replacing everything with "Unknown". On an unrelated note, Tager's article is severely lacking despite its current content. Like what 88.78.166.147 have stated earlier, we should add this information into his article and add it in his trivia section. Airguitarman 05:52, July 14, 2011 (UTC)