Thread:Mask of Nothingness/@comment-8695373-20161023080809/@comment-30711988-20161217224941


 * >a rage train of just insults

If you call that "insults" then you are too sensitive to use internet.
 * >Murakumo no. 5 or as night vision stated prime feild

Not a Murakumo, she didn't have a Shinki of her own.
 * >by Relius to consider her the progenitor of Ragna and Jin

Relius said that Ragna and Jin can be called her "children". But Ragna has an artificial body, a body that was created by someone, so there's no way she is their biological mother.
 * >There seem's to be a confusion here

You're the one who's confused. We NEVER called Five "Saya". She's "Five", not "Saya". Five is Five. Saya is the Origin's name and Ragna's sister's name.
 * >also Relius tells Izanami that her vessel Saya was a copy of number 5 and not the other way around

EXACTLY what I tell you. Five is a base model for Saya. That means that Saya was modelled after Five. That means that Relius found Five, examined Five, and made Saya as a copy of Five. Modelled Saya after Five, so Five is Saya's model. HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO REPEAT UNTIL YOU UNDERSTAND?
 * >I used Carl as an example of Relius's cold demenor of human life as well as his uncaring nature of humanity and it's reproduction system which is why I believe Relius stated "you can call her the mother of Jin and Ragna" in that sentence cause to Relius himself it's irrelavent information.

There is a huge difference between a biological child and an artificial human. We don't know what Relius meant by this, but he definitely did not mean to say "I don't care about explanations, they are Five's children". Relius explains stuff. In a cryptic way, but he usually offers some explanation instead of "whatever, I don't care".
 * >I think she is in fact the mother Jin Kisaragi and Ragna the bloodegde as it ties up with both brother's being stuck in the lab for most of their childhood

She is not their "mother". At least not Ragna's mother, his body is created with a random person's soul inside.
 * >you have it my reasons for why I think No.5 deserves her own page

You mean this? Then, congratulations, you completely misunderstand everyone's messages! What are you even doing on this wiki? The point of the first message is "There's a low chance of Five getting her own page, and the "relatives" section is ONLY FOR RELATIVES". Zeretsu collected enough information for a page, it's relevant, we left it. But don't you add Ragna and Jin as her children, since they are not. At least Ragna has a CREATED BODY, and Jin might be the same, though I'm more inclined to believe that the Power of Order created him.

Once more, get it in your head: "sister units" are not relatives, "base models" are not relatives, "alternate selfs" are not relatives, "creators" are not relatives, "creations" are not relatives, "clones" are not relatives, "originals" are not relatives.