Talk:Jin Kisaragi

His Japanese Voice
Do you actually realize that when Jin talking to Ragna in Japanese voice he sounds very girly? Especially when he says "brother." User:Nathan900130 13:55 July 15 2010 (2010)
 * This isn't really the place to discuss such things (please find a forum), but yes, his tone does change towards Ragna and he does sound more feminine when he does so in the Japanese version. Takoto 15:42, July 15, 2010 (UTC)

Hakumen
What's Jin's reaction when he realize that Hakumen is his future self? Nathan90130 13:27 July 22 2010 (UTC)
 * I don't know if he's realized yet. Takoto 12:05, July 22, 2010 (UTC)

Ikaruga War, lost persona and True Power?
Well, Jin is known for his jerky attitude and his psychopathic outbreaks, but looking into other character's narrations of his days at the academy we see that back then he, while still keeping distance from people, was actually respectful and friendly towards others, not only Tsubaki, but also, while not friends, was polite towards Makoto and Noel. Just watch the side story in CSII that shows how the three academy girls met, Jin was actually cheering up Noel, made a whole plan to have Makoto fit in and even advised Tsubaki how to get to understand herself with Makoto. Tsubaki really likes Jin, in one drama CD that takes place in the current timeline just before meets up Hazama for her mission in CS, she daydreams of Jin as the perfect hero; just, brave, caring, merciful, everything that Jin isn't. Also in many conversations the girls comment on how Jin had changed so much for the worst after the war.

It's known the Yukianesa is messing Jin up, but he was using the blade already during the academy and during the war, with no visible side effects, so it's possible that the war itself triggered something in Jin that sent all his good traits away and made him so cold and crazy. In CS's story mode a flashback shows Jin realizing something quite shocking about Ikaruga (He says: "Wait... I see...So this is how it is!) just before Hazama shows up in ghost form and takes away Jin's memories of the events. Jin must have seen something that just snapped him that time and even if his memories of it were gone so he couldn't denounce Hazama the emotional damage was already done.

Also he is known as the hero of Ikaruga not only for stopping the war, but for doing it in just two days by himself. That brings another strange point about Jin to the table: did he got weaker after the Ikaruga War? Seems so, in CT during Noel's story he was being easily defeated by Noel before he ran to face Ragna and when he faced his big brother he got defeated horribly, sure he made Ragna run out of breath of a moment and hurt him, but nothing Ragna couldn't just brush off and go on. Then in CS Tsubaki is also able to defeat Jin in their first encounter, even Tsubaki herself is shocked to see she actually won. Ragna aside, it's pretty unlikely that Noel (NOT Mu-12) and Tsubaki could take out entire armies by themselves, precisely what Jin did in Ikaruga. Also it would be absurd that Ikaruga was made entirely of weaklings, on the contrary, the war was huge precisely because it gave the NOL trouble and Ikaruga had Ars Magus using ninjas. Then how come a guy who destroyed all of them could be soundly defeated by Noel and Tsubaki, who are by no means weak by the way, just not in the one man army level, and wasn't even a good match for Ragna without using his Azure? Ragna also destroys armies alone so it's obvious he would be stronger than Jin, but given his background you'd think the little brother would put a better fight.

Jin indeed lost most of his power after Ikaruga, the personality change triggered by the war and his power loss may even be connected. When he faced Noel and Ragna in CT he was at the peak of his insanity, with Noel he was in a murderous rampage and with Ragna he was in his most obsessive moments. During CS when he faced Tsubaki he was still in his chase for Ragna and in the midst of his obsession. This is further proved by his fight against Ragna in CS; then his power wasn't only cut down, his obsession was so big that Yukianesa refused to listen to him, rendering him defenseless. When he later faced Tsubaki and Jin came to his senses, realized he no longer be apathetic about the world and decided to go on for the ideal of justice and order ("I am the cold steel! The Blade that will restore balance to this world!) his power just seemed to skyrocket: he defeated Tsubaki (didn't hurt her, bu Tsubaki was shocked and confused by this power), he pinpointed and forced Phantom flee after dispelling Phantom's magic and after that he found Hazama and to the latter's surprise he began to easily beat Terumi who was confused about how it was that possible and then without second thoughts after realizing it was the power of Order's true potential he decided to escape, no insults, no attempts to fight back. Terumi is known for his extremely thought out plans and huge fighting prowess, and he himself declared that if he had kept fighting Jin he would have lost, this coming from the very same guy who was stomping Ragna until he got the Idea Engine.

I guess we should put how his personality used to be nice and all around kind before the war in his personality section and how the Power of Order indeed makes him much stronger, even if the link between the power and his emotional state is just a theory (which can be avoided until it's confirmed), but it's worth noticing that Jin indeed gets weaker or stronger depending on his emotional state, he didn't do training and it was just a week after CT, so why did he become so strong after clearing up his head? My guess is he didn't attain new power, he got back part of the power he had lost before, just that in the middle fo his insanity and the memory devouring from Terumi, he didn't realize what was going on to him.

Another point is that Jubei stated that his power is made to counter Ragna's power so there can be a balance, then told Ragna that Jin would become his greatest enemy. Another thing that shows that Jin is indeed weakened. If that's true then Jin would eventually become Ragna's equal in power.

One last thing that makes you wonder: Why is Jin so hellbent on using Yukianesa as his weapon of choice? Sure, ice powers are cool, but the sword not only amplifies his emotions, it has its own will and commands Jin to do horrible things and on top of that it was a personal gift from Saya, the person Jin despises more than anyone. My guess is that Yukianesa is not a power limiter on Jin as first seem, but rather the key to his full power, but insteat of an instant upgrade Jin must control the blade, surpass the tests the strain from the Nox signifies and just then his full power will awaken. Jin's power is Order, it cannot exist mixed with discord, so putting chaos in Jin's head with the Nox's effects is very likely to supress his powers, should Jin surpass the effects of the Nox and find harmony (sounds cheesy I know) he may get his full power back, the same power that allowed him to take over a whole nation alone or even greater if he is going to match Ragna. He can't just thow away the sword and get another one, he needs to overcome it and is possible Jin never lost sight of that.

NovaFortuna 14:15, February 9, 2012 (UTC)